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This past week, I received an order for a copy of our Expert Strategy for Las Vegas book. Shortly after, I received an e-mail from the person who ordered it, who wanted to know if this would help him win money on a nearly daily basis.
The reader was looking for a $200-$300 daily win on average. Assuming a 250-day work year, this equates to a $62,500 per year job. Not a bad salary and I’m guessing if it were that easy, many more people would be doing it.
Regrettably, I had to tell him that I certainly could not make any guarantees of this type. The vast majority of full-pay machines still have paybacks below 100 percent and thus are long term losing propositions for the player. Using the strategy in my books will help you minimize your losses in these cases and give you a reasonable chance of winning.
There are still a few machines out there with paybacks over 100 percent. They are getting harder and harder to find and generally speaking, are in lower denominations. The casinos have figured out that you can’t offer paybacks over 100 percent on large denomination machines or some video poker pro is likely to capitalize on the situation.
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There is a website called vpfree2.com which has a search engine which can help you find these machines. The database is player maintained, so it may not be up-to-the-minute accurate. In doing a quick search through the database, the highest payback machine I could find were full-pay Deuces Wild at about 100.76 percent, playing quarters at most.
Playing seven hours per day at 800 hands per hour, a player can expect to average about a $50 win per day. This is well short of my reader’s hopes. If they had $1 machines, then his goal might be more attainable.
But this is just an average expected win. Video poker is a very volatile game. If you could play blackjack at 100.75 percent, you might be able to count on this type of win most days. In video poker, roughly 2 percent of the payback comes from the Royal Flush (a natural Royal in the case of Deuces Wild). So, on any day you don’t hit one, you’re essentially playing a 98.76 percent game. In other words, a net loser.
On the days you hit that Royal, you’ll be a big winner. Royals occur roughly 1 in 40,000 hands. Using my prior example, you would hit one about every eight or nine days on average. But, you could easily hit three in nine days or go 25+ days without hitting one.
At the end of the year, you should be fairly close to that target of $50 per day. This translates to $12,500 per year. This sounds like a nice win on a yearly basis, but this requires that you play five days per week for seven hours per day. It is essentially a full-time job to make below minimum wage.
Admittedly, these numbers do not take into account the benefits of using a slot club card which will increase your net win a bit.
Video poker, like most casino gaming, is a form of entertainment. My strategies will help you minimize the cost and give you a good shot of winning on any given day.
I would strongly suggest you not try to make a living at it. The only exception might be live Poker where you are playing against other players and not the house.
It is a great and useful tool for casual players. The problem is the serious players want the casual players to play worse games. If everybody started playing the best games the casinos would tighten those machines down. Also as someone else mentioned occasionally a machine is mistakenly set and by announcing it publicly the slot director may take notice.
Ah well that is kind of messed up, but I guess its not suprising. So basically hoarding knowledge for fear that the casinos will change machines?
I guess that makes sense, I have had MPs get mad at me for sharing very good promos that are available to the public (but hard to find) if they know about them. I do not agree with that mindset, I believe in education proliferation. People who are willing to do the research should be entitled to find the proper information. Its not like its a classified trade secret....
Anything that is available to the public should be freely shared online. Now, if you are talking about exclusive machines in private areas and private promotions that the casino asks you not to share with others, then obviously that is different....
The problem is the serious players want the casual players to play worse games.
Sure, I agree theoretically. But the average Las Vegas tourist, and there are zillions of them, doesn't know and doesn't care about paytables.Like you said, Gandler, 'People who are willing to do the research should be entitled to find the proper information.' Looking up paytables and games on VPFree is NOT that. That's just giving out the information for free with near zero effort taken to find that information. I'd rather there be no public sharing of information so that those who work harder and can find the better games, promotions, glitches, etc. can make the most while the lazy people starve because they expect to get spoon fed information on where to go.
As far as promotions and to a lesser extent machines and paytables -- when information is only known amongst a few people, those few people can make a lot of money. When EVERYONE knows about it, sure, all of those people can get a tiny piece of the pie, but it's gonna get taken out quicker since there's gonna be (potentially) hundreds of people competing and the casino is more likely to take action.
It's just completely backwards when there's something you are able to do yet share the information publicly.
Let's say YOU found a $2 denom, 9/6 JOB machine, that paid double on all four of a kinds (250 credits for $500 instead of 125 credits for $250). That's worth $500/hour, btw. Would you go onto VPFree and report the game so everyone can play it? Would you make a new thread on WOV telling everyone to go play that game? If you would, now you'd have to compete against other APs and of course, if that game is getting pounded 24/7 it's going to be much more likely the game gets taken out.
Let's say YOU found a $2 denom, 9/6 JOB machine, that paid double on all four of a kinds (250 credits for $500 instead of 125 credits for $250). That's worth $500/hour, btw. Would you go onto VPFree and report the game so everyone can play it? Would you make a new thread on WOV telling everyone to go play that game? If you would, now you'd have to compete against other APs and of course, if that game is getting pounded 24/7 it's going to be much more likely the game gets taken out.
NO, I wouldn't. However, I don't think this example is what VPFREE2 is about. Extending your logic, WizardofOdds shouldn't have paytables or strategies listed. Are you so good at math that you could figure all this out by yourself ? If so, my hat's off to ya.YES, I would post that 'such and such' a casino has regular 9/6 Jacks or Better located on the 2nd floor.
IF enough consumers know where to play the game they want to play ( best paytable ) and make a decision on where to play based on that, wouldn't that INCREASE competition between casinos ? And like I said before, I think there are so few people interested in learning about good strategy that listing VP games does NOT effect the casinos at all.
It's not the casual / tourist / ploppy players that are a problem -- most won't check VPFree and for the most part, it's not a problem.
Like you said, Gandler, 'People who are willing to do the research should be entitled to find the proper information.' Looking up paytables and games on VPFree is NOT that. That's just giving out the information for free with near zero effort taken to find that information. I'd rather there be no public sharing of information so that those who work harder and can find the better games, promotions, glitches, etc. can make the most while the lazy people starve because they expect to get spoon fed information on where to go.
As far as promotions and to a lesser extent machines and paytables -- when information is only known amongst a few people, those few people can make a lot of money. When EVERYONE knows about it, sure, all of those people can get a tiny piece of the pie, but it's gonna get taken out quicker since there's gonna be (potentially) hundreds of people competing and the casino is more likely to take action.
It's just completely backwards when there's something you are able to do yet share the information publicly.
Let's say YOU found a $2 denom, 9/6 JOB machine, that paid double on all four of a kinds (250 credits for $500 instead of 125 credits for $250). That's worth $500/hour, btw. Would you go onto VPFree and report the game so everyone can play it? Would you make a new thread on WOV telling everyone to go play that game? If you would, now you'd have to compete against other APs and of course, if that game is getting pounded 24/7 it's going to be much more likely the game gets taken out.
What he said +100It's not the casual / tourist / ploppy players that are a problem -- most won't check VPFree and for the most part, it's not a problem.
Like you said, Gandler, 'People who are willing to do the research should be entitled to find the proper information.' Looking up paytables and games on VPFree is NOT that. That's just giving out the information for free with near zero effort taken to find that information. I'd rather there be no public sharing of information so that those who work harder and can find the better games, promotions, glitches, etc. can make the most while the lazy people starve because they expect to get spoon fed information on where to go.
As far as promotions and to a lesser extent machines and paytables -- when information is only known amongst a few people, those few people can make a lot of money. When EVERYONE knows about it, sure, all of those people can get a tiny piece of the pie, but it's gonna get taken out quicker since there's gonna be (potentially) hundreds of people competing and the casino is more likely to take action.
It's just completely backwards when there's something you are able to do yet share the information publicly.
Let's say YOU found a $2 denom, 9/6 JOB machine, that paid double on all four of a kinds (250 credits for $500 instead of 125 credits for $250). That's worth $500/hour, btw. Would you go onto VPFree and report the game so everyone can play it? Would you make a new thread on WOV telling everyone to go play that game? If you would, now you'd have to compete against other APs and of course, if that game is getting pounded 24/7 it's going to be much more likely the game gets taken out.
I would not, not on that site because I am not a contributer. But, if I do find an excellent VP machine (which will not happen because I almost never play VP, let alone scout times comparing all of the machines in every nearby casino), but I would post any interesting finds. I see no reason not to. Some casino even advertise when they have VP with a negative house edge because it draws players (and most people play so poorly, that they have a house edge anyway).
I like resources that list off databases of machines and rules, so I view any site like that as a valuable resource. As for promos, that is a little bit different (since many are only available to certain players anyway), but for public promos, I see no reason to not list them if somebody wanted to. I like databases and information to be available to all.
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